Comments on: Unleashing An Open Source Torrent On CPUs And AI Engines https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Thu, 07 Sep 2023 23:37:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: luis river https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212260 Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:47:18 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212260 Interesting reflections, the God top creation it is the mankind, I think the last human destiny it is survive our actual complex era, autodestruction possibility it is something real, but that event can be ruled out only if true love, repeat true love it is principal world language.

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By: UK https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212208 Wed, 09 Aug 2023 15:08:02 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212208 I think Keller is without any doubt a brilliant CPU-designer (will be interesting what the very-high-end RISC-V CPU from them will be) and very enthusiastic about tech, but as the saying goes “the eyes of love are blind”.
One statement of Keller does not draw good security foresights on the horizon, but it is just as it is, so no criticism on Mr. Keller as he just says, what is the case and will be:
“Here is my thesis: We are going to start to generate more and more code with AI, and then the AI programs are an interaction between general purpose computing and AI computing, this is going to create, like a whole new wave of innovation.”
->Code itself already get’s more and more complex (something against which the KISS approach fights against – that’s why I like e.g. OpenBSD), so that we already have problems to keep it secure, as complexity is the enemy of security. We just don’t get it anymore.
AI does give outputs nobody can predict, otherwise we would not need, or let’s better say, we would not use AI (as I think we do not need it, as e.g. still somebody has to check that code from the AI…and it does already mean a lot amount of work to check and try to understand somebody elses code, so what will this be if one has to check the code of a machine being sick with multiple-personality-disorder, which an AI somehow is). So we already just don’t get our own complex code and want to extend this into unknown directions?
…not to mention the hardware, which we also don’t get – last proof: downfall and inception.
->So we get code, who nobody can predict, “written” by code (the AI) which nobody really oversees completely running on hardware we don’t…
->I would say, this is “opening Pandoras Box within Pandoras box”, or “Pandoras Matryochka”.
…but that’s the way hybris always goes, when non-eternal things are made to a god besides the real God, who e.g. showed up in the world 2k years ago and still talks through his word:
Romans 1:22
Seeming to be wise, they were in fact foolish,
Romans 1:23
And by them the glory of the eternal God was changed and made into the image of man who is not eternal, and of birds and beasts and things which go on the earth.

…sad having to see this development…but knowing it very good from my own past…until God crashed my life, otherwise I would have never got thankful for Jesus Christ, who paid for my sins at the cross, and who is the only hope for everybody to have peace with God and to have not to fear the justice day – as God is ready to forgive, but we are not ready to admit…yes, He has really hard work to do, until someone gives up, as I personally know from myself…but I never regretted, also if this and that from the past life sometimes attracts…I never want to go back into this dependance…

Btw., as ending of the comment – sorry Mr. Morgan for the long comment:
When I first read Jeremiah 10 I was instantly reminded of our hope in IT, to change everything (climate, diseases, …) to the better:
Jeremiah 10:3 ^
For that which is feared by the people is foolish: it is the work of the hands of the workman; for a tree is cut down by him out of the woods with his axe.
Jeremiah 10:4 ^
They make it beautiful with silver and gold; they make it strong with nails and hammers, so that it may not be moved.
Jeremiah 10:5 ^
It is like a pillar in a garden of plants, and has no voice: it has to be lifted, for it has no power of walking. Have no fear of it; for it has no power of doing evil and it is not able to do any good.
Jeremiah 10:6 ^
There is no one like you, O Lord; you are great and your name is great in power.
Jeremiah 10:7 ^
Who would not have fear of you, O King of the nations? for it is your right: for among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is no one like you.
Jeremiah 10:8 ^
But they are together like beasts and foolish: the teaching of false gods is wood.
Jeremiah 10:9 ^
Silver hammered into plates is sent from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the expert workman and of the hands of the gold-worker; blue and purple is their clothing, all the work of expert men.
Jeremiah 10:10 ^
But the Lord is the true God; he is the living God and an eternal king: when he is angry, the earth is shaking with fear, and the nations give way before his wrath.
Jeremiah 10:11 ^
This is what you are to say to them: The gods who have not made the heavens and the earth will be cut off from the earth and from under the heavens.
Jeremiah 10:12 ^
He has made the earth by his power, he has made the world strong in its place by his wisdom, and by his wise design the heavens have been stretched out.
Jeremiah 10:13 ^
At the sound of his voice there is a massing of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mists go up from the ends of the earth; he makes the thunder-flames for the rain, and sends out the wind from his store-houses.
Jeremiah 10:14 ^
Then every man becomes like a beast without knowledge; every gold-worker is put to shame by the image he has made: for his metal image is deceit, and there is no breath in them.
Jeremiah 10:15 ^
They are nothing, a work of error: in the time of their punishment, destruction will overtake them.

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By: Slim Albert https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212137 Mon, 07 Aug 2023 06:16:13 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212137 In reply to EC.

In my view, Keller’s Tenstorrent approach is more conceptual than the more common GPU-repurposing avenue (or prior-product pragmatism?); to wit, the key nexus of their contribution (possibly slightly buried in the volubility of the exchange) seems to be:

“the graph needs to be lowered with interesting software transformations and map that to the hardware […] we have a graph compiler and our architecture is more of a dataflow machine”

Amen to this sort of innovation (in my opinion).

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By: Michael Alan Bruzzone https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212102 Sun, 06 Aug 2023 01:52:05 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212102 In reply to Timothy Prickett Morgan.

Acknowledge “never automated” you check when a comment is said by the system a duplicate even on no resemblance to the original ok a flag calling attention for your consideration.

My audit shows some believe the bots. If a system work said or concluded the system work must be right on the vastness of stored knowledge, said knowledge? Individual entities or group think or save your insurance? Over time continuing evolutionary improvements? Down what track? Independent and or mutually dependent observers also note corporate-esk of sorts seems to end in the entity observed not responding or engaged in diversions that stretch things out to make oversight observations go away.

Obviously this is not about large language models, I think, at least not yet and recommendation systems seem to work on my derived preferences.

Others believe triangulation to formulate reasoning from said archive of knowledge in any number of ways can be flawed and that I take this is your point.

mb

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By: EC https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212101 Sun, 06 Aug 2023 01:14:49 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212101 In reply to OGeneral.

I agree, this was sort of a stunning interview. Tenstorrent has been at it since 2016. And Keller has been there since 2020. But he’s been in the eye of AI chip development for a lot longer than at (at Intel and Tesla). He’s got what 3 or 4 AI chips under his belt by now.

So it’s hard to get over him eluding to or using the term “signal”. Like proof of life or something. “A positive signal” on our ability to build and sell product.

I get that what they’re shooting for is hard. I just thought they’d be further along than this sort of proof of life at this point. It sounds tenuous. And then there is always the software content which I’m not sure happens until they have a viable product. It just points to the idea Nvidia is going to be in the driver’s seat for some time to come.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212090 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 17:00:57 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212090 In reply to Michael Alan Bruzzone.

Mike, love you man, but you gotta give me a chance to moderate comments. This is not automated, and it never will be.

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By: OGeneral https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212089 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 16:45:17 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212089 I hold my breath on Tenstorrent. I’ve been waiting for their initial product launch for two years nothing has happened so far. Obviously they are changing direction now again. I’ll say wait and see so far their execution has been rather lacklustre and it does not matter if it has a name like Jim Keller behind it or not in the end you have to deliver.

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By: Luis river https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212065 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 07:48:43 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212065 In reply to Timothy Prickett Morgan.

Interesting article from Mr Prickett, J. Keller great ! congratulations both.

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By: d^8 https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212058 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 04:59:26 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212058 In reply to HuMo.

Indeed, chapter 20 of “The RISC-V Instruction Set Manual: Volume I, Unprivileged Architecture” (12/2022, 05/2023), entitled: “J” Standard Extension for Dynamically Translated Languages (Version 0.0), is a must read! It was Chaper 14 in the 2017 Manual, and 18 in the 2020 Manual, and has remained very stable. It deals with the most widespread of application languages (eg. Python):

“[…] popular languages […] implemented via dynamic translation, including Java and Javascript [that] can benefit from […] dynamic checks and garbage collection”.

One logically infers from that detailed spec, which very concisely speaks volumes, that the need for a 2W3R design will self-prompt engineers to evolve a consistent 64-bit-wide instruction set that simultaneously supports dynamic languages and HPC/AI vector ops. The performer to watch-out for will be RISC-VJ (RISC-VI++) — like a James Brown RISC Machine … d^8

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By: Michael Alan Bruzzone https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/02/unleashing-an-open-source-torrent-on-cpus-and-ai-engines/#comment-212053 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 03:20:56 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=142724#comment-212053 Tim well said 80% share. However, some media on access and enduring audience (my take over the long term) will not address your point specifically leaving counter point to others and some in the general audience have misinterpreted 60% profit for 80% share and I will pass your point on with attribution. And this is my fourth attempt at this response to you on Next Platform AI rejecting it as a duplicate. Seeking Alpha has also implemented new screening tools that on parameters don’t allow in real time counter point and limit. mb

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