Comments on: Finally, A Coherent Interconnect Strategy: CXL Absorbs Gen-Z https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/23/finally-a-coherent-interconnect-strategy-cxl-absorbs-gen-z/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:37:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Juist a Realist https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/23/finally-a-coherent-interconnect-strategy-cxl-absorbs-gen-z/#comment-172706 Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:37:41 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139692#comment-172706 From various articles, the one and perhaps only thing CXL will use is the software / management specifications and open source work. All other aspects of Gen-Z will simply disappear as though the technology never existed, i.e., the Borg won. The one thing that the Gen-Z Consortium gets is a graceful exit strategy which allows them to claim some modicum of success (similar to the Gen-Z Consortium donating multiple mechanical connector and form factor specifications to SFF, e.g., what is now call SFF-TA1002). The same cannot be said for CCIX and OpenCAPI which will likely just disappear as failed technologies. It did not have to be this way if the industry had united behind Gen-Z from the start. Instead, a pointless bus war was created which delayed development and product adoption long enough for Intel to push CXL onto the market (really CXL 2.0 as there is very little CXL 1.x product development occurring due to its limited capabilities). Though it won’t be stated publicly, getting Intel to support an open coherency protocol is all that any of these companies really cared about, so in that regard, Gen-Z, CCIX, and OpenCAPI were all wildly successful.

As for off-package proprietary SMP coherency protocols, why would anyone get rid of those? Far too much investment and infrastructure built around their continued use, at least until off-package coherency no longer makes sense which isn’t that far in the future (chiplet and wafer-scale processing are the future; personally, the wafer-scale solution you’ve highlighted before is the most interesting, innovative, and credible solution to date). For non-SMP solutions, expect technologies like NvLink to remain dominant. They’ll attach to application processors using PCIe and CXL for application control operations which can be (non-)coherent while continuing to perform 99% of the compute and storage access without involving the application processor.

Large shared memory pools? There are some application workloads where these make sense, but volume wise, they represent a very, very small percentage of the TAM (HPE’s Machine was interesting research, but it was clear from the start, that HPE never really committed to or perhaps had the wherewithal to deliver a viable product offering). In fact, if you look at the research published by various platform / cloud providers, there are very few single system image applications that require more than single-digit TiB memory capacities, and only a subset of these can bear the cost of what it takes to deliver even a reasonably robust memory solution (there is a reason mainframe-class SMPs are so expensive as it costs a lot to compensate for the inherent availability issues associated with high-component count platforms). Perhaps this will change in the future, but until memory costs drop substantially or a new high-volume, reasonably performant persistent memory media arrives, nothing will change.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/23/finally-a-coherent-interconnect-strategy-cxl-absorbs-gen-z/#comment-171795 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:15:54 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139692#comment-171795 In reply to Allan Cantle.

I think there is a good chance if it looks like CCIX or Infinity Fabric but is truly open. Imagine the fun we could all have with different kinds of CPUs sharing memory. . . . HA!

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By: Allan Cantle https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/11/23/finally-a-coherent-interconnect-strategy-cxl-absorbs-gen-z/#comment-171793 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:27:44 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=139692#comment-171793 Tim
I’d be interested in your perspective on how CXL is going to gain good traction with all the Proprietary Coherent Busses that the incumbents have today? Obviously CXL is just a second class citizen to them today as it is Asymmetric and they are all Symmetric. Do you think that CXL will quickly become Symmetric in Rev 3 and everyone will just fall inline and give up their proprietary Busses?
I touched on this in my presentation on “Strategies for CXL’s success in a world of Proprietary Coherent Busses” at the OpenPOWER Summit in October.
See https://youtu.be/CfYHjM5Gok8.

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