Comments on: Intel Brings A Big Fork To A Server CPU Knife Fight https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Tue, 18 Jun 2024 17:24:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Eric Olson https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225512 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 06:17:22 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225512 In reply to JRStern.

In my experience memory bandwidth and shared L3 cache make conventional multi-core CPUs less than ideal for multi-tenant use in cloud infrastructure.

From what I understand the idea behind a “cloud native” processor such as Sierra Forest, Altra Max and Graviton is the weaker cores tend not to interfere with each other as much. Since AVX-512 can be particularly demanding on shared resources, it’s natural why Intel avoided AVX-512.

With Bergamo reducing per-core L1 cache might actually increase the noisy-neighbour effect–at least on average. On the other hand, creating the VMs aligned with the compute dies should avoid the noisy neighbours. This suggests 8 cores with 16 threads is the smallest size for a good VM on Bergamo.

It would be interesting if a reliable source would measure how much adjacent VMs interfere with each other on different architectures when running various kinds of workloads.

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By: Brandon https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225314 Fri, 07 Jun 2024 22:34:51 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225314 In reply to Eric Olson.

Throws an instruction exception and the process is killed. At least that’s how it works on Linux.

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By: JRStern https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225270 Fri, 07 Jun 2024 01:06:22 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225270 In reply to Paul Berry.

Just saw your question after asking similar one below. +1, LOL. I have the same issues and have wrestled with them in datacenter and cloud configurations. How do you go about loading these up with VMs and maintaining flexibility? Is Windows Server making major changes in operation and licensing, to fit? Or will it be left to boggled devops folks trying to make sense of it all after the fact? I respect Intel’s expertise in processors in the abstract but their ability to match that to reality has not always been great.

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By: JRStern https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225269 Fri, 07 Jun 2024 00:58:34 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225269 Very nice article, first time I’ve seen an attempt at a systematic explanation of wtf Intel is even up to! Several things I don’t understand, perhaps first is just what *is* Microsoft’s licensing now, for clients and servers, they’d gone to pure per-core licensing and that was stupid, it was counter what I wanted to do with them on SQL Server which is to use a high core count only sporadically. Another question is, doesn’t this cause “noisy neighbor” problems if you try to provision cloud servers with high core counts? I have a million questions about NUMA I can’t even begin to explain. Most of all, what specific loads are likely to be better on e-cores? You took a swing at that but I’d like more inside dope, explaining why Intel took these two specific design paths? Or was it just a decision over lunch, with independent teams assigned by Gelsinger on architectures, fab nodes, and market segments? Perhaps some further light on this would come from hearing how AMD’s similar fork has been doing in the market, who buys what and why. Thanks.

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By: JKL https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225265 Thu, 06 Jun 2024 22:57:35 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225265 ]]> Intel, new motto should be Soon™

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225236 Wed, 05 Jun 2024 23:15:15 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225236 In reply to Matt.

No one mentioned the CHIPS Act, but Intel is clearly a big beneficiary. No one mentioned share repurchases, either as far as I can see but I am a little tired. And while AMD might have the upper hand, it can only make so many processors and Intel will well the remainder. AMD’s job is to make what can sell and only make as many as it thinks it can sell. If AMD thought it could sell 100 percent of the X86 server market, it would do so. It does not. And hence, even it believes that Intel will continue to win sales.

I, too, find it perplexing based on raw feeds and speeds. But that is what is happening.

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By: Matt https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225226 Wed, 05 Jun 2024 18:13:52 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225226 Why do some people tend to associate Intel with the CHIPs act? TSMC, Samsung, and Micron are each receiving almost as much taxpayer money as Intel.

And Intel hasn’t made any share repurchases since Q1 2021.

Regarding the E-cores, it’s odd to imply that Intel can “lie” to hyperscalers. I don’t know which makes more sense, Intel’s full dedication to the market segment with optimized cores or AMD’s less-expensive rejiggering of their single core type, but the hyperscalers are going to make their decisions on internal testing, not on anyone’s marketing. The usefulness for any particular enterprise may come down to the licensing terms available for the software applications they use.

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By: Pravit https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225222 Wed, 05 Jun 2024 16:56:06 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225222 Sierra is a joke … just look at bergamo perf/W numbers in 1S configuration and compare this to sierra. Not to mention that Sierra will compete with Turin which oblitartes whatever Intel will have in next 2 years.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225199 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 21:57:24 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225199 In reply to Paul Berry.

At some point, it is just going to be a rack in a socket, a row in a chassis, and a datacenter in a rack. HA!

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By: emerth https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/06/03/intel-brings-a-big-fork-to-a-server-cpu-knife-fight/#comment-225196 Tue, 04 Jun 2024 20:01:32 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144248#comment-225196 Presumably Intel stock will rise as it gets its fabs working properly. Or you know, spends the 25B from the tax payer on stock buy backs. So I can make a buck that way.

These E cores though… the lying, uh, pardon me, the ‘marketing’ never stops. They are really only efficient at packing cores into small areas. They’re not particularly efficient at doing work per watt. They are efficient at being able to say a CPU has lots of cores, let’s put it that way. AMD’s full-fat-with-half-the-cache ‘C’ core still make more sense. My $0.02 anyway.

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